Salam alaikum, Ya Ali (as) Al-madadi, Brother you have quoted the following verse and you expressed that “People of remembarance†translation to the Arabic word of “Ahl-e-Zikre†are fallible scholars. Transliteration: <16:43> Ve ma erselna min kablike illa ricalen nuhıy ileyhim fes'elu ehlez zikri in küntüm la ta'lemun English Yusuf Ali: <16:43> And before thee also the messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: if ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message. Transliteration: <21:7> Ve ma erselna kableke illa ricalen nuhıy ileyhim fes'elu ehlez zikri in küntüm la ta'lemun English Yusuf Ali: <21:7> Before thee, also, the messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: If ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message. Let us see what the Masumeen(as) says about the “Ahl-e-Zikreâ€, there are numerous traditions in Kafi, Tafseer Aiashi and Tafseer Qummi, from Ayiamah Masumeen (as) in which it has been explained that “Zakir†is referred to Rasool Allah (saws) and “Ahl-e-Zakir†means the Ayiamah Masumeen (as) and Muslims have the obligation to turn to Ahlul-Baith(as) for those matter which they do not know. In addition, it is narrated by Imam Reza (as) in “Aoun Alakbar Al-Reza†that Allah has sent “Zakir†means Rasool (saws) (who was sent to you for the recitation of verses of Allah) thus “Zakir†is Rasool Allah (saws) and we are “Ahelâ€. In Kafi, Imam Mohammed Baqir (as) pointed his divine hand to his sacred chest and said we are the “Ahel-e-Zakir†and every single thing can be asked from us, while replying to a question on “Ahel-e-Zakirâ€. So these verses doesnot favour your statement, and moreover these supports our views and my statement. Not let us see what the next you have quoted, and how far it stands supporting your views and statement. The tradition you have quoted is “As far as newly occurring circumstances are concerned, you should turn (for guidance) to the narrators of our hadiths, for they are my proof over you just as I am Allah’s proof over them†(Al-Ihtijaj, Al-Tabrasi, Vol2, P.No.260, Al-Amili, Wasail al-shia, vol.18, P.No.101, Bihar Al-Anwar, Al-Majlisi Vol.53, P. No.181 and etc. etc. ) Well see how this tradition also supports our views and my statement. Imam(as) asked us to approach the narrators of their hadiths, not the person who put his analogy, I have already quoted the traditions where Masumeen(as) have strictly forbidden using analogy, and that what we says follow only traditions of Masumeen(as) and Verses of Quran. So this too speaks in our favour. No doubt in it that Imam (as) asked us to approach the Scholars but which scholars please see this tradition, narrates Hassan-al-Askari (as) from his grandfather Jaffer-e-Sadeq (as) “if there is anyone among the fuqaha who is in control over his own self, protects his religion, suppresses his evil desires and is obedient to the commands of his Master, then the people should follow him†(Al-Ihtijaj, Al-Tabrasi, Vol.2 P.No.263) please concentrate it is totally conditional you are more educated than me se you know it better that any sentence starts with “if†is conditional and exceptional and in this tradition also we have been asked to approach such fuqaha who is in control over his own self. It means he should not be in “Taqqayyaâ€. Most of the 12+2 Imams’ followers says that “our marajas are under taqqayya so they says Alian waliyaalah is optional. And it is also may be observe that people of there own country in their own flag does “Thaqqayya†or they may not feels that Aliyanwaliyallah is compulsory. So in both the situation approaching them is impermissible. More over I feel good when you exhibit your way of defending your +2 Imams by using indecent words towards me and my sect. How much difference is there in between those who supports only 12 and those who supports 12+2. I pray with thee god that I must be consider as a slave/lover of 12 (as) and you must be of +2 (ameen)
Salam alaikum, Ya Ali (as) Al-madadi, I know brother you may not like to have my message, as I have already committed that I wont again, but when I found you message, where in you have stated that many places so & so and so & so have ordered to follow a person, but not quoted any proper reference. Any how I prepare my self even for abuses by you for this message but I cant leave the advocacy of truth (Haqq). You might have observed that I never submit anything without reference. You can see the traditon of Imam-e-Mohammed-e-Baqir (as) in Usool-e-Kafi, Chapter 85, Hadith, 4 & in Kashful Haqaik P.No.9 and many books of traditons that "Allah says, I will punish all those who have followed an Imam who was not nominated by Me, regardless of their good deeds and extensive acts of worship but will forgive those who have followed my Just and Divine Imam, regardless of their enormous burden of sins" Here you may say that the marajas are also following Quran and traditons and they issue fatwa based on these two by using analogy. So one should check it first that whether using analogy is permitted or not. Please see Usool-e-kafi, chapter 19 Hadith No.11 " I asked from Imam-e-Abu-Abdullah (as) 'sometimes we encounter those issues, related to which we cannot find an answer neither in the book of Allah nor in the Ahadith. Can we use our won analysis of the situtation (use of analogies) and try to find a sloution?' the Imam (as) replied "No, you must not do so, If you would find the correct solution, you will receive no rewards for it and if you derieve a wrong conclusion then you have forged lies against Allah, the most Majestic, the most Glorious" No you think for a while if fatwa is only based on Quran and Ahadees, then there should not be differences in their fatwas and moreover they should quote, basing on which Verse or tradition they issued that particular fatwa. But in the bigning of the Amalia or thouzi they have mentioned that muqalideen are not suppose to question the marajas. So it is clear that the fatwas are not just the traditon or the verse. It is based on the analysis (analogy), which is totally forbidden by the Masumeen(as). Here few may think that by trusting them we are doing their thaqleed and if at all we committed any sins then the burden will be upon them. But no allah in the Verse 18 of Chapter 35 Originator, already clarified and said " No burdened (soul) may bear another's burden: if some over-laden soul should call out for someone else to carry his load, no one would bear any part of it even though they were a near relative. You can only warn those who dread their loard although (he is) Unseen, and keep up prayer. Anyone who purifies himself, only purifies his own soul. Towards God should remain one's goal" So the person her/him self responsible for their own acts. Finally brother I want to quote a last tradition i.e.commentary to the Verse of Quran 9:31 by Imam-e-Jffer-e-Sadiq (as) recorded in Usool-e-Kafi Chapter 18 Hadees No.1 {Ali has narrated from Ahmed bin Mohammed bin Khalid a man asked the meaning of ayeth (9:31) "meaning that Christians have deserted Allah in the favour of their scholars and peers, and requested the meaning of this verse. Imam (as) replied "Christians were not asked workship their cholars and peers, if they were asked to do so by their preiests then christians would have rejected them. Instead, their peers turned their Halal into Haram and converted their Haram into Halal. They (christians) followed their priests (did taqleed) and as a result had worshiped them unconsciously" Take any issue and see thouze(s) of four different marajas you will find different opinion for an example take the issue of growing beard one says on any circumstances it sholdnot be shaved off. where as another one says if it is so then shave it off. If the shaving is haram then the other one says it is halal and if it is halal then the other one says it is haram. So brother this is the thing I reject analogy and follow only Quran and Ahadees or Masumeen(as)
You are perfectly correct I admit that I did a mistake by associating me as you are. In the very first book of Shia based on traditons by Moula Ali (as) and which is easily available in the market and that book has certification of two Imams (as) and till date non of any so-called scholar has rejected it and you will find references of that book in almost all of the shia books, in that book (urdu translation) please see page No.60 where in you will find a traditon by moula Ali (as) that among 73 sects 13 sects will challange of being shia, out of which 12 will go astray and only one will attain salvation, and that particular sect will follow only Quran and traditons of Masumeen(as) not the analogy of any non masoom. For your kind information Bhoras are shia, Agha Khanis are shia, Ismailis are shia, Zaidis are shia, as well as Usoolis are also shia and Akhbaari too. I dont know to which shia you belongs but I proud to declare that I am Akhbari Shia who follow only Quran and Tradions of Masumeen (as) and reject analogy (Fatwa) by any body. And in my religion, Three testimonies are compulsory besides Tawallah and Tabarrah. If you have interest then please go through the Book "Salaim bin qais-e-hilali" wherein this traditon is recorded and also "Alaim-e-Zahoor" or "Zhoor-e-Hujjath" or "Biharul Anwaar" or "Amalia of Noorullah Shostri, Shaheed-e-Saales" where in you will find that people following analogy will fight against Imam(ajtfj) as they find the instructions of Imam(ajtfj) against to their practice. I felt sorry to sent the comment. And it is last one. And also I pray that you will sustain the same position of your Marajaas (ameen)
The word akhbari came from akhbaar. Akhbaar is plural of Qabar, Qabar means Tradition (Hadees). You may not be knowing brother our 6th Imam (as) is also known as "Muqbir-e-Sadeq" one who says truth. Akhbari is the sect which follows only Quran and Ithrath (as) that is Traditons of Masumeen (as) and reject analogy. Please see the "Ferozul Lughath" a famous dictionary of Urdu or any dictionary, or atleast the Mohammaden Law of Indian constitution by Dr. B.R. Ambedkar who wat not even a Muslim and it was during 1952. Where in Usooli = A sect of Muslims and Akhbari = A sect of Shias, and dear brother neither the constitution nor the Dictionary supports any one these will be totally impartial. If at all you are interested to know what is the right parth or which sect one has to follow in the light of traditons of Masumeen(as) and Verses of Quran I will be always available. This matter relates to our religion and unless and untill we have command on it, I think one should nt say anything. Being an elder, I have suggested you and moreover I beg pardon if these facts have been hurted you.
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